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Post by teccles on Mar 27, 2013 9:40:52 GMT -5
I might.... I will check...
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Post by teccles on Mar 27, 2013 9:43:47 GMT -5
The cheap bulk buy bullets seem like they need crimped....the nicer nosler bullets seem to fit pretty tight....I may try those with no crimp...
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Post by teccles on Mar 27, 2013 19:55:23 GMT -5
Here are today's results.....which one do you like the best and why....
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Post by smoky on Mar 27, 2013 23:25:04 GMT -5
Are those rested shots? To get good comparisons they really should be.
I've always found the best accuracy with Nosler bullets in all the rifles I load for that matter. The only thing I don't like about them is the price. But for hunting, they are my favorites.
Maybe it's just the picture, but that sure looks like a heckuva lot of crimp. On the first picture you can even tell it has deformed the bullet some. Understand with a semiauto you have to have them pretty tight. A Factory Crimp Die is the way to go, but understand you can't have everything.
I see what you are trying to do, but the range makes a big difference. Some loads will even out and stabilize while others will just get worse out to 100 yds or so. On the other hand, spinning them so fast out of a 1-7 can also turn a slight imperfection into a major wobble by the time it gets 100 yds out there.
If it were me, I'd try a few at 22.0 with a light to medium crimp. Judging best I can from the photos, I would estimate the crimp in the pictures to be a "heavy" crimp. By crimping you are going to have more consistent ignition, (and more pressure) you just don't want to overdo it.
Your bulk ammo results look alot like mine, when compared to Noslers. I have still found them to be superior to the likes of Wolf.
All look about the same to me, but if I had to pick I'd take the top one. Those 3 in a vertical strip would likely be the best group at 100 yds. When you get a vertical string like that, you basically have a good load, just pressure (thus velocity) deviations that are causing the slight difference in elevation--but the rest of the load is sound. IE: I would be willing to bet if you chronographed each load, the top one would be the most consistant of the 3. You are close on the bulk group, I'm betting just the bullet irregularities are doing that--again, magnified by the 1-7 spin.
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Post by teccles on Mar 28, 2013 7:11:45 GMT -5
Thanks smoky... They were shot from a rest.... I will try them at 100 yds and see what they do .....
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Post by teccles on Mar 28, 2013 20:18:42 GMT -5
The newest trial at 100 yds....
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Post by tkarter on Mar 28, 2013 20:21:47 GMT -5
I see shooting the AR is not much different than any other rifle.
I would email Lee about the crimping die. Send them the pictures and see what they say.
I have never thought of purchasing anything but Lee loaders. They work and will work good for not much money paid out. Leaves money for components.
When you want to reload shotshells get a Lee Load all for them. I have a mec loader and a Lee and I use the Lee
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Post by tkarter on Mar 28, 2013 20:28:30 GMT -5
The newest trial at 100 yds.... I think I would go just a bit lower on the powder with the slight crimp. What is the minimum for that loading combo?
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Post by teccles on Mar 28, 2013 20:34:25 GMT -5
22.3 grains....I picked up 300 60 grain vmax today... Those might be better over all but I still wanna those 55 grain work as good as I can....
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Post by tkarter on Mar 28, 2013 20:39:13 GMT -5
Try 21.7 if that isn't below the minimum. See if it won't put all 5 inside the same circle you have 3 in with the 22g.
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Post by teccles on Mar 28, 2013 20:42:43 GMT -5
It is below the minimum.... Should I try it still?
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Post by tkarter on Mar 28, 2013 20:47:09 GMT -5
Nope I wouldn't Maybe find a different powder for the 55 grain. The 22 grains are passable for 100 yards if you are happy with them.
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Post by teccles on Mar 28, 2013 20:54:37 GMT -5
I'm not elated with them... But with the powder availability they will work for rock chucks.... Maybe I will have better luck with the 60 grain vmax,...
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Post by tkarter on Mar 28, 2013 20:59:00 GMT -5
Keep shooting they may get better after firing a few more rounds.
Might even be the trigger on your AR LOL I don't know.
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Post by smoky on Apr 1, 2013 20:20:50 GMT -5
According to Accurate's website guide, 21.2 was the lowest charge for that bullet weight. I think you could go down to 21.7 as tkarter suggested, with a light to medium crimp. Those groups aren't THAT bad, with the Noslers anyway. Pretty decent actually I thought. Hard to judge the scale, but looking at the taillight, I'd say a prairie dog would be wetting his pants if you didn't let the air outta him.
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