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Post by tkarter on Jun 14, 2013 8:36:47 GMT -5
Do you think all the counties that are filing for the exemption from having to provide metal detectors to prevent CCH licensed people from carrying past their sign understand there is no penalty for one to do so?
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Post by eagle on Jun 14, 2013 22:41:57 GMT -5
I don't think they read any further than the words "metal detectors" , and since that part was later in the bill, they probably never saw it. But they'll either figure it out at some point, someone will bring it up to them, or they'll get educated....... I would like to see their faces when someone tells them.
I don't see how "exemptions" is going to do anything for them... there are no provisions that I saw that shows it would.
I'm betting they think if they hang their signs on the doors, they think it will be against the law to carry in the building, like it is now.
S-U-R-P-R-I-S-E !!!! I waiting to see what happens out here, because the town here has all city places / buildings posted, and they sure aren't going to ever install any metal detectors. Only they are folks who don't think the laws apply to them.....
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Post by rramom on Jun 15, 2013 22:48:11 GMT -5
I'm glad the county that we live in has commissioners with some brains. They voted that they couldn't afford to install all those metal detectors, so no point in making all of those places off-limits. For the most part, I've been pretty happy with the government of my county. Sure a lot better than SG & Wichita!
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Post by tkarter on Jun 15, 2013 22:54:58 GMT -5
Shawnee county voted to go for the extension. LOL they don;'t know that folks already CCH past their stupid sign.
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Post by eagle on Jun 15, 2013 23:54:26 GMT -5
I'm glad the county that we live in has commissioners with some brains. They voted that they couldn't afford to install all those metal detectors, so no point in making all of those places off-limits. For the most part, I've been pretty happy with the government of my county. Sure a lot better than SG & Wichita! What county are you in , if I can ask ? Town I live in ... isn't even remotely close to "getting it" ..... they still think they can ban cc in the park. Read this one, and in particular the comments section : www.kansas.com/2013/06/15/2849239/gun-ordinances-up-for-debate-at.htmlsome folks ... saying they don't want CC holders to carry into the buildings, but see no need for metal detectors to keep the bad guys out ..... LOL. Seems they are more afraid of CC holders than criminals with guns. |
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Post by rramom on Jun 16, 2013 17:51:32 GMT -5
I'm in Butler. Our state senator Forrest Knox did a "listening tour" recently. He said that when he asked the owner of the place we met for permission to hold a meeting there, the person only asked him his views on one position - guns. There's a lot of gun-loving people living out here.
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Post by tkarter on Jun 16, 2013 17:55:43 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what the county thinks. What matters is the law.
Even with the exemption it is still only a 50 dollar fine for carrying past the sign.
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Post by eagle on Jun 17, 2013 1:58:25 GMT -5
I don't see any way that someone will know who does and doesn't have an exemption when they approach a building. Also, don't think the $50 fine / misdemeanor applies anymore .... all I see in the new bill is that it's no longer a crime to carry past a CC sign.
If you can lead me to a penalty, even if they have an exemption, pls let me know.
I don't think the "exemption" does anything more than allow a City, County building to hang signs on the doors (posted) without the metal detectors, etc. being required during that period. I don't think there is a penalty if you carry past the signs, "if" they don't have metal detectors, etc.
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Post by tkarter on Jun 17, 2013 2:07:56 GMT -5
it isn't July 1st yet. They can do no more on that date than they could in the past.
I would be a test case but I conceal too well.
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Post by eagle on Jun 18, 2013 23:51:09 GMT -5
www.ksccw.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=286We're trying to find out more on all of this, and posting some of it on .NET as well... as to the impact of the exemptions, etc. A good description there from Rep. Knox... and possibly more info coming. Knox's info / email ; suggests it is not illegal to cc in a public building, etc..... if they don't have "adequate security" per the law.
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Post by tkarter on Jun 19, 2013 19:05:59 GMT -5
Rep Knox is going to say the exemption really means they get to feel good but can't prosecute any cch licensee for carrying past their feel good and safe sign.
The law doesn't outline penalties for the cch holder that ignores the sign.
I will be the test case if they figure out I am carrying without a metal detector.
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Post by eagle on Jun 21, 2013 0:56:20 GMT -5
HB 2052 - Mega Gun Bill: www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2052_03_0000.pdfNew Sec. 2. (a) The carrying of a concealed handgun as authorized
by the personal and family protection act shall not be prohibited in any
state or municipal building unless such building has adequate security
measures to ensure that no weapons are permitted to be carried into such
building and the building is conspicuously posted in accordance with
K.S.A. 2012 Supp. 75-7c10, and amendments thereto.
{(d)} (1) It shall be a violation of this section to carry a concealed
handgun in violation of any restriction or prohibition allowed by
subsection (a) or (b) if the premises are posted in accordance with rules
and regulations adopted by the attorney general pursuant to subsection
(h). Any person who violates this section shall not be subject to a criminal
penalty but may be subject to denial to such premises or removal from such premises.
Section (a) and (b) referred to are related to "conspicuously posting " can prohibit : (a) Provided that the premises are conspicuously posted in accordance
with rules and regulations adopted by the attorney general as premises
where carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited, no license issued
pursuant to or recognized by this act shall authorize the licensee to carry a
concealed handgun into any building.(b) Nothing in this act shall be construed to prevent:
(1) Any public or private employer from restricting or prohibiting by
personnel policies persons licensed under this act from carrying a
concealed handgun while on the premises of the employer's business or
while engaged in the duties of the person's employment by the employer,
except that no employer may prohibit possession of a handgun in a private
means of conveyance, even if parked on the employer's premises; or
(2) any private business or city, county or political subdivision from
restricting or prohibiting persons licensed or recognized under this act
from carrying a concealed handgun within a building or buildings of such
entity, provided that the premises are posted in accordance with rules and
regulations adopted by the attorney general pursuant to subsection (f)
(h),as premises where carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited.Section (h) is the section saying all doors must be posted, size of sign, height / location of sign, etc. NOTE , this still applies : (g) Nothing in this act shall be construed to authorize the carrying or possession of a handgun where prohibited by federal law. Also ... very last paragraph : Sec. 9. K.S.A. 2012 Supp. 75-7c17 is hereby amended to read as
follows: 75-7c17.
(a) The legislature finds as a matter of public policy and
fact that it is necessary to provide statewide uniform standards for issuing
licenses to carry concealed handguns for self-defense and finds it
necessary to occupy the field of regulation of the bearing of concealed
handguns for self-defense to ensure that no honest, law-abiding person
who qualifies under the provisions of this act is subjectively or arbitrarily
denied the person's rights. No city, county or other political subdivision of
this state shall regulate, restrict or prohibit the carrying of concealed
handguns by persons licensed under this act except as provided in section
2, and amendments thereto, and in subsection (b) of K.S.A. 2012 Supp.
75-7c10, and amendments thereto, and subsection (f) of K.S.A. 21-4218,
prior to its repeal, or subsection (e) of K.S.A. 2012 Supp. 21-6309, and
amendments thereto, shall be null and void. |
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