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Post by ricco on May 13, 2013 16:08:28 GMT -5
Opinions? Do the tactics properly address the threat. If not, what should be done? The bullets going over the berm aren't relevant to the conversation. youtu.be/LyByc8qeGCA
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Post by eagle on May 13, 2013 17:20:51 GMT -5
This is one that can create a lot of debate and arguments. A lot of people teach ONLY ... shoot & withdraw, create distance.
However, not what I learned nor what I think is the most effective..... if I'm "that close" that he can tap their head ..... it's put the gun against their head and pull the trigger, and several means you can disable them from using their gun while doing it. While that guy is backing up the BG could put several rounds into him.
However, there are some circumstances where his maneuvers are smart tactics. All depends upon the situation you are in. If for instance the attacker has a knife.... creating distance while shooting is a good tactic.
His holding the gun in close, is a tactic to keep them from grabbing your gun or gun arm when in close proximity, or deflecting your arm when you go to shoot. It's a good tactic in that regard, and learning to shoot without "aiming" , etc.... and hitting your target. It's a different form of point shooting... not typically the one I use, but a good one to be able to do and practice. But then, I never want to find myself that close to the BG and having to 'react' ... so I want to avoid that situation all together.
It's fun when you get casings in your face. LOL. I've ended up with them flying up and dropping thru the top of my glasses to then be trapped in a place you don't want them. So, I learned to keep my head down some so that doesn't happen.
the one where he has the gun close to his chest after drawing it and within 5 ft of the target, is a good tactic to know and be good at..... you don't want the BG grabbing your gun and pushing the slide so you can't shoot. I knew one guy that could reach up and take your slide off your gun (if it was a beretta) faster than you could pull the trigger. Kind of bad when he's standing there holding the slide of their gun.
When it was my turn to work with him on some things... I pulled a revolver .... LOL. While he was dumb-founded, I pulled the trigger on the practice gun 6 times.
He told me that this was to use a semi- ... and I told him... you are supposed to expect the unexpected.... you lose.
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Post by tkarter on May 13, 2013 18:34:35 GMT -5
I reckon as long as he feels like he can win a fight using that then he is about a good as he is going to get at it.
Backing up gets one shot themselves too.
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Post by ricco on May 13, 2013 18:44:42 GMT -5
His shooting skills look okay but his draws need work.......a lot of work. If his draws are that slow fighting a piece of cardboard, against a living human being that is trying very hard to kill him, he's screwed.
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Post by tkarter on May 13, 2013 19:58:32 GMT -5
His draw is right up there with most IDPA shooters. Most folks think that shove they are going to push a bad guy away to draw and shoot. I got news for that as you stick your arm out to shove someone who is willing to kill , you have just made contact that you won't break. Especially silly to do if you are facing a knife.
I don't care how fast you are someone that close to you with a knife will cut you up pretty good before You can move.
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Post by tkarter on May 14, 2013 19:53:37 GMT -5
Ricco don't you think this guy will do better than the average joe does in a real fight?
It isn't how I practice or train. I don't do much of either since I have quick reflexes for a fight. Learned from my upbringing.
My worst fear about myself is I will stay with just beating hell out of them and forget to use the gun I carry if I am at a disadvantage at the start.
I am all about saving ammo. LOL
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Post by tkarter on May 14, 2013 20:36:52 GMT -5
Here is how I would react as this guy's target. When he reached out to push me away I would grab his arm. Then I would kick his left knee back with all my force thus upsetting his planned response. I would also take out his right knee as even if he draws he won't be shooting me. Then the next step is to boot stomp his head until he is no longer a threat and if he could zipper me after all that I would be the dead guy.
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Post by ricco on May 15, 2013 0:36:39 GMT -5
Ricco don't you think this guy will do better than the average joe does in a real fight? It isn't how I practice or train. I don't do much of either since I have quick reflexes for a fight. Learned from my upbringing. My worst fear about myself is I will stay with just beating hell out of them and forget to use the gun I carry if I am at a disadvantage at the start. I am all about saving ammo. LOL No way of knowing if he would fair better than the average person, who knows. I find backing up to be a flawed tactic. If the attacker has a contact weapon and the defender is close enough to deliver a strike, the defender should be tying up the weapon arm rather than moving backward and giving the attacker room to use his weapon. Optimally the defender should be driving the attacker backward. If the defender can unbalance the attacker, this will make whatever the attacker is trying to do will be more difficult. As Bruce Lee said ".....moving your opponent backward reduces him from a fighter into a pedestrian". If the attacker has a pistol, moving a few steps backward changes nothing for him, but it does slow down the defenders draw. I would assume that in the drills he was working the attacker already had a pistol pointed at the defender given he was drawing and shooting, legalites and all that. If this assumption is true, the best the defender can hope for is trading shots with the attacker. Trading shots at 3 or 4 feet probably won't have a desirable outcome.
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Post by tkarter on May 15, 2013 6:34:58 GMT -5
Amen to that Ricco.
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