Post by eagle on Apr 17, 2013 20:10:53 GMT -5
O-man sure threw a 2nd grader fit about it. It made me wonder if his "handlers" are giving him only what looks and sounds good, rather than the truth, and that is why he seemed to 'shocked' by the vote.... because he is too isolated from reality. His comment "this was wanted by 90% of the American people" .... shows he is totally OUT OF TOUCH with the American people. Biden was claiming that the poll of 15,000 LEO's ... showing they were not for it, was "fabricated" by the Right Wing.
Then I heard.... oh, what's his name..... "Juan" on Fox News .... saying this shows what the BIG $$$ & NRA can do. He kept saying "this was for the children" ... and Krauthammer told him that was stupid demagoguery and that arguments like that wouldn't get it..... that none of this would have done one thing to prevent Newtown from happening.
www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04 ... -gun-bill/
Background check plan defeated in Senate, Obama rips gun bill opponents
The Senate on Wednesday defeated a vital background check amendment seen as the linchpin to Democrats' gun control bill, dealing a major setback to President Obama -- who lashed out at opponents in unusually blunt terms during remarks from the Rose Garden.
"All in all, this was a pretty shameful day for Washington," Obama said, accusing the gun lobby of lying about the bill.
The vote was 54-46, with supporters falling six votes short of the required 60-vote threshold.
The failure of the background check proposal authored by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., now imperils the entire legislation. The proposal would have expanded background checks to gun shows and Internet sales while exempting personal transactions. The amendment was aimed at winning over reluctant conservatives, who were opposed to the more stringent background check plan in the existing bill.
It's unclear where supporters will go from here. They could try to vote again, or craft an alternative piece of legislation.
Obama vowed to press on, saying the vote was "just round one," while decrying those he claimed "caved" to political pressure.
"The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill," Obama said. He said the claims "upset" some gun owners who in turn "intimidated" senators.
"There were no coherent arguments as to why we couldn't do this. It came down to politics," he said.
In a statement, Manchin said that while he is disappointed in the outcome of today's vote, that "this is not the end of the debate."
Opponents, which included a few Democrats, voiced concern that the proposal would infringe on Second Amendment rights by imposing a burden on those buying and selling guns. They claimed the proposed system would not have prevented Newtown, and would not stop criminals. They also voiced concern about the possibility that the expanded system could lead to a gun registry, though the amendment language prohibits this.
The NRA said in a statement that the amendment "would have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms between honest citizens, requiring lifelong friends, neighbors and some family members to get federal government permission to exercise a fundamental right or face prosecution."
But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats hammered Republicans for not voting in support and vowed to press forward.
"I want everyone to understand this is just the beginning, not the end," said Reid. "Today, the brand of the Republican Party has become more out of step, more extreme. And that's saying something."
Four Republicans voted for the amendment, but five Democrats voted against it. One of those Democrats was Reid -- who only switched his vote to oppose it because doing so allows Democrats to call up the measure again. Other Democrats who voted against the measure for non-procedural reasons were Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska, Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Sen. Max Baucus of Montana
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Then I heard.... oh, what's his name..... "Juan" on Fox News .... saying this shows what the BIG $$$ & NRA can do. He kept saying "this was for the children" ... and Krauthammer told him that was stupid demagoguery and that arguments like that wouldn't get it..... that none of this would have done one thing to prevent Newtown from happening.
www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04 ... -gun-bill/
Background check plan defeated in Senate, Obama rips gun bill opponents
The Senate on Wednesday defeated a vital background check amendment seen as the linchpin to Democrats' gun control bill, dealing a major setback to President Obama -- who lashed out at opponents in unusually blunt terms during remarks from the Rose Garden.
"All in all, this was a pretty shameful day for Washington," Obama said, accusing the gun lobby of lying about the bill.
The vote was 54-46, with supporters falling six votes short of the required 60-vote threshold.
The failure of the background check proposal authored by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., now imperils the entire legislation. The proposal would have expanded background checks to gun shows and Internet sales while exempting personal transactions. The amendment was aimed at winning over reluctant conservatives, who were opposed to the more stringent background check plan in the existing bill.
It's unclear where supporters will go from here. They could try to vote again, or craft an alternative piece of legislation.
Obama vowed to press on, saying the vote was "just round one," while decrying those he claimed "caved" to political pressure.
"The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill," Obama said. He said the claims "upset" some gun owners who in turn "intimidated" senators.
"There were no coherent arguments as to why we couldn't do this. It came down to politics," he said.
In a statement, Manchin said that while he is disappointed in the outcome of today's vote, that "this is not the end of the debate."
Opponents, which included a few Democrats, voiced concern that the proposal would infringe on Second Amendment rights by imposing a burden on those buying and selling guns. They claimed the proposed system would not have prevented Newtown, and would not stop criminals. They also voiced concern about the possibility that the expanded system could lead to a gun registry, though the amendment language prohibits this.
The NRA said in a statement that the amendment "would have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms between honest citizens, requiring lifelong friends, neighbors and some family members to get federal government permission to exercise a fundamental right or face prosecution."
But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats hammered Republicans for not voting in support and vowed to press forward.
"I want everyone to understand this is just the beginning, not the end," said Reid. "Today, the brand of the Republican Party has become more out of step, more extreme. And that's saying something."
Four Republicans voted for the amendment, but five Democrats voted against it. One of those Democrats was Reid -- who only switched his vote to oppose it because doing so allows Democrats to call up the measure again. Other Democrats who voted against the measure for non-procedural reasons were Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska, Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Sen. Max Baucus of Montana
Read more @ LINK
