HB 2052

NOT GOOD .. in my mind... see next post ... here's the info :

KSRA release :
This bill passed the full Senate on Final Action today with a vote of 35 to 5. However, some amendments were made to the bill during the Senate actions so this bill must go back to the House for them to concur or appoint a conference committee to come to agreement on the differences before it can go to the Governor for signature. See how the Senate voted below.
MEGA GUN BILL

SENATE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL 2052
The following bills, which have already been passed by the House, have been blended together in one mega gun bill. The House bills are HB 2052, HB 2055, HB 2098 previously reported in our alerts. Additionally the following Senate bills have also been blended into this mega gun bill, SB 157, SB 158, SB 184 & SB 186. Amendments have been done to clean up technicalities and differences in the bills. It resulted in the best of all of them rolled in to one. This mega gun bill is now SENATE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL 2052 and was passed by the Senate Committee on Federal and State Affairs this morning.

Link to bill : www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2052_03_0000.pdf
Notes (link) : www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/supp_note_hb2052_03_0000.pdf

My email to my House Representative & CC'd Patricia Stoneking :

What is deleted in the below section is the words "in the building of"
What is added are the words "as premises" and "of premises" .


Dear Mr Seiwert,

The Senate combined all of these bills into one, which will be returning to the House for concurrence.

I , and many others, have a BIG problem with one aspect of this bill and I hope you will support our stance on this,and argue if at all possible for that particular modification not be approved… and returned to the original language.

This is in the following section : (red highlight being deleted and ‘blue” being added in the statute).

Sec. 8. K.S.A. 2012 Supp. 75-7c10 is hereby amended to read as
follows: 75-7c10. Subject to the provisions of section 2, and amendments
thereto:
(a) Provided that the premises are conspicuously posted in accordance
with rules and regulations adopted by the attorney general as premises
where carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited, no license issued
pursuant to or recognized by this act shall authorize the licensee to carry a
concealed handgun into the building of:
(1) Any place where an activity declared


The reason for this is simple… all definitions of “premises” , include lands, parking lots, etc. of a property, NOT just the buildings. This opens posting parking lots, walkways, and all sorts of things that would make impractical let alone nearly impossible to know if there are signs, where the signs would be, and nearly impossible to follow.

What may seem like a small change, is likely to cause many problems and muddy waters on what is legal and isn’t legal in terms of posting, as well as where and where not CC is legal.

I would strongly urge that the wording stick to “buildings” being the only location that can be “posted” with the AG approved signage as it is today in the statutes.

Mr Siewert, to reiterate, “any” references to “premises” in this section of the bill., vs “in the building of” …… should be returned to the orginal language of the present statute in my , and several other’s opinions. The word “premises” …. is far reaching and greatly expands areas that can be posted , and that presents all types of muddy waters legally for CC holders.

It all looks so good except what you and I seemed concerned with. I am sure it will pass the house too. We need to find the right argument against the language you and I agree is not good for cch in Kansas.


You were on top of it way before I was. It all looked so good that I almost failed to see the bad part. Thanks to you I see it plain and simple.

The word premises should be a deal breaker.

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I think it was intentional and worded that way so college campuses could deny cch.

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Date Chamber Status AR JPN
Mon 01 Apr 2013 Senate Motion to accede adopted; Senator Ostmeyer, Senator Emler and Senator Faust-Goudeau appointed as conferees

Mon 01 Apr 2013 House Nonconcurred with amendments; Conference Committee requested; appointed Representative Siegfreid , Representative Brunk and Representative Ruiz as conferees 600

Wed 27 Mar 2013 Senate Final Action - Substitute passed as amended; Yea: 35 Nay: 5   

KSRA email tonight :

Senate Substitute for HB 2052, the bill now known as the Mega Gun Bill passed the House 104-16 and passed the Senate 35-5! It's also on the way to the Governor for signature!